Most underrated or overrated modern G.I. Joe Figures – A list by Monte

So the site has been inundated with G.I. Joe: Retaliation news and articles…so when the always awesome Monte Williams offers to submit a list of Overrated and Underrated Joes of the “Modern Era” I just can’t help but jump on it.

Even if it ends up sitting in my mailbox for a week or so first.  :shifty:

Seriously, this was a great article, and a huge thanks to Monte for taking the time to write this up for the site.  It’s greatly appreciated!  Click the “read the rest of this entry” link below to view Monte’s list and argue it out in the comments below!

Howdy, toy fans. Monte Williams here, hijacking Generals Joes again to bring you another life-changing G.I. Joe list:

 

The Most Overrated and Underrated G.I. Joe Figures of the Modern Era

Overrated: Pit Commando; Rise of Cobra

I don’t mind when someone unwittingly exaggerates the quality or usability of a toy, but there is a related phenomenon that agitates me to no end: when a nostalgia-blinded fanboy sings the praises of a mediocre toy at the expense of superior toys. That drives me nuts!

This happens all the time with the Rise of Cobra toys, and more often than not, the lackluster toy my stunted Joe-nerd brethren choose to celebrate is the Rise of Cobra Pit Commando figure.

Does the Pit Commando feature an impressive (for its time) accessory load? Sure. But most of his ostensibly awe-inspiring vests and helmets are awkward and ill-fighting, and should you strip those adornments away, you’re left with a repaint of the uninspired 25th Anniversary Dusty figure, topped off with one of the most underwhelming head sculpts in the entire 25th Anniversary series.

If you admire and have use for the Rise of Cobra Pit Commando figure, than huzzah and congratulations. What quickly grows tiresome, however, are the blog and forum comments suggesting that the Pit Commando is the only worthwhile figure in the Rise of Cobra series, when in fact the Rise of Cobra series, for all its faults, represented a towering and unprecedented leap forward for the G.I. Joe brand in terms of engineering and articulation. All those figures you hate because of their reactive armor and accelerator suits and Chaning Tatum and Marlon Wayons head sculpts? They all had better sculpts and better articulation than the Pit Commando.

Underrated: Duke; Pursuit of Cobra

I call him “Backpack Duke”, ‘cause his backpack is such a subdued, subtle, inconspicuous piece of hardware.

*Ahem*.

I like the backpack, alright? But really, I can take it or leave it.

But the Duke figure who comes with that backpack? Holy mercy.

Everyone is falling all over themselves proclaiming 30th Anniversary Storm Shadow and Pursuit of Cobra Snake Eyes to be the definitive versions of those characters, but what few Joe fans seem to have noticed is that Hasbro also released the definitive Duke last year.

He looks for all the world like a 21st century update of the first Duke figure from 1983, and he poses like  dream and he comes equipped with a gun straight out of Alien and a delightfully absurd backpack. Why did this figure warm pegs?

Underrated: Flash; Rise of Cobra

Sometimes, Joe fans look at a daring redesign of an iconic character and say, “That’s just not Spirit” or, “I like the figure well enough, but it doesn’t feel like Zartan to me”.

This is understandable. Where such vintage-loyalty crosses the line is when someone responds to an outstanding figure like Rise of Cobra Flash with, “That doesn’t look like vintage Flash, so it sucks.”

If Hasbro opted to reinterpret every single classic G.I. Joe character in the daring, exciting manner in which they reimagined Flash, I would be thrilled. And if it’s true that Rise of Cobra Flash would not exist if not for the Rise of Cobra video game, then I desperately hope there will be a sequel to the Rise of Cobra video game.

Rise of Cobra Flash features an all-new, amazing sculpt—which has inexplicably yet to be reused—and accessories that are… alright, yeah the accessories are weak, although I love the use of a string for the hose, rather than the usual plastic tube that’s always too rigid to be of any reliable use.

Hasbro could release this figure once a year as a simple repaint and I would buy it every time. If you avoided Rise of Cobra Flash because he doesn’t resemble the Flash you remember from the early 1980s, you are doing yourself a serious disservice.

Overrated: Snake Eyes; City Strike/Resolute

I love the City Strike Snake Eyes figure. I bought two of them at retail, plus two of the Resolute 7-pack that included a repainted City Strike Snake Eyes. I also ordered the Target-exclusive Rise of Cobra Rescue Mission 4-pack from eBay just to get my hands on the all-black City Strike Snake Eyes repaint. Unfortunately, it arrived just two or three days after I left the States for Pakistan, so I’ll have to wait until next summer to photograph him. I intend to procure a Renegades Snake Eyes at some point, too, which will bring my collection of City Strike Snake Eyes-based figures to an even half-dozen. And I love them all!

But yeah, he’s overrated.

City Strike Snake Eyes is a versatile figure, but he essentially has to be versatile, because there are limits to the extent to which he works as-is. His skinny arms provide useful articulation, but they’re almost too skinny to work on an aesthetic level. Meanwhile, his belt looks cool, but because of the large protruding chunk required to accommodate the peg from his scabbard, the belt rides up too high on his torso. As for the head, it needs more paint because it looks nearly monochrome, and overlooking the paint issue, the head sculpt itself is fine, but not particularly exciting.

The recent “Ultimate” Pursuit of Cobra Snake Eyes figure has erased City Strike Snake Eyes from history to some extent (though he is still the figure who gets to adorn the site logo at JoeDios.com), but make no mistake: for a year or so, many people were suggesting that City Strike Snake Eyes was perhaps the greatest action figure of all time.

Those people were wrong.

Underrated: Specialist Trakker; 25th Anniversary

Matt Trakker is not a perfect figure by any means. He boasts many of the failings of your average 25th Anniversary figure, chief among them his restricted articulation (particularly at the elbows). But his head sculpt is realistic—and angry!—and his backpack and helmet are fun, and more than anything, Hasbro made a G.I. Joe-scale Matt Trakker action figure!

Of course, that was the problem, for many collectors. Rather than regard this unexpected treat as a thrilling (or even merely pleasant) surprise offering from Hasbro, too many G.I. Joe fans saw the Matt Trakker figure as a betrayal, in that a slot that supposedly belonged to a yet-to-be-produced classic G.I. Joe character was dedicated instead to a character from a non-Joe toyline.

I for one loved the idea and most aspects of the execution, and I would be delighted if Hasbro opted to sneak other ‘80s “cameos” into the G.I. Joe series—is it too much to hope for a 30th Anniversary Storm Shadow repainted to resemble Karate-1 from The Bionic Six? After all, Agent Helix already resembles a slightly grown-up Rock-1.

Underrated: General Hawk; Rise of Cobra

I have come to accept that JBL’s Alexx and I are the only G.I. Joe enthusiasts who are inordinately delighted to have a lifelike Joe-scale Dennis Quaid head sculpt, but objectively speaking, there is still plenty worth celebrating about the Rise of Cobra General Hawk figure.

I do wish his beret were removable, and I am discouraged at the scarcity and the secondary market inflation of the Wal-Mart-exclusive Laser Artillery Weapon repaint (I want one, dammit!), and I don’t know what happened with the Rise of Cobra General Hawk that was included with the Pit playset, ‘cause hoo-boy, he’s hideous. But the single-pack Rise of Cobra General Hawk is a great toy!

I’ll concede that most G.I. Joe fans might find the Dennis Quaid head sculpt limiting (though I like to think we can all agree that it is a quality sculpt), but from the neck down he is a perfect “buck” for any number of military-themed customs. The T-shirt is strangely refreshing (and the same idea was used again to great effect for the Resolute 7-packs), he looks ready for battle in a badass sort of minimalist manner, he comes with a goddamn jetpack (though I prefer the black and silver version that was included with the Resolute 5-pack Duke), his articulation is aces… what’s not to love?

Underrated: Arctic Destro; Pursuit of Cobra

I don’t care for the sloppy application of the green paint on Arctic Destro’s eyes. Arctic Destro utilizes the Christopher Eccleston head sculpt, but when the Pursuit of Cobra series abandoned its Hollywood flavor, Hasbro went the vintage-style route and filled in the entire eye sockets with green paint. It was perhaps the worst choice they could have made, because really, any given Destro head could have been reused to greater effect; the Christopher Eccleston head sculpt was not designed to accommodate the green-eyed look.

But you know what? Look past those sloppy eyes (or simply replace the head, as I did) and Arctic Destro isn’t merely underrated—he is perfect.

The “frosted” highlights of the paint apps are clever and effective, the sculpt of the body and the coat are flawless, and the overall effect is more menacing and intriguing and simply cool than either the suitcase-of-cash Destro or the Iron Grenadiers that use the same body from the neck down. Just pop a new head or helmet on him for an easy Captain Cold or Mr. Freeze-inspired custom, or troop build the damn thing for a quick squad of winter-themed Vipers.

Arctic Destro has replaced Sigma 6 as the butt of lazy jokes at Hasbro’s expense, and there’s not a single reason to justify it, ‘cause Arctic Destro is a kickass action figure.

Overrated: Spirit; 25th Anniversary

I recently discovered that not everybody recognizes that the 25th Anniversary Spirit figure is the ugliest, crappiest G.I. Joe figure of the decade. A fellow Hiss Tanker even recently offered a counterintuitive statement along the lines of, “I don’t like the Marauders 7-pack Spirit. I prefer the 25th Anniversary Spirit. The Marauders version is a racist caricature.”

If you can explain that to me, I’ll give you my Pursuit of Cobra Low Light.

In the meantime, taking time to explain why 25th Anniversary Spirit is the bastard-ugliest chunk of plastic to hit the shelves in a dog’s age feels kinda like explaining why water’s a good idea when you’re thirsty, so all I’ll say is this: look at his head and look at his mid-torso joint and tell me with a straight face that 25th Anniversary Spirit is anything but a spectacular failure.

Underrated: Skydive; Pursuit of Cobra

I pride myself on being more logical and pragmatic than the average toy collector. There are times, however… no, that’s not right. There are toys that reduce me to the nine-year-old I once was. That nine-year-old could distinguish good toys from bad, but on occasion, if a toy looked cool enough, then that nine-year-old lost all his critical skills.

Such was my response to Skydive. More to the point, such was my response to Desert Battle Ripcord, which hit retail in repainted form as the slightly less amazing Skydive. Ripcord/Skydive simply looks so neat that his flaws remain irrelevant to me. So for this entry, I will not try to persuade you that you are wrong… with one exception:

If your chief concern about Skydive is that his awesome gear restricts his leg articulation, I have a solution: cut it off from the waist down. I performed this unlikely operation on both of my Skydives, and once it’s done, he can do the splits, if that’s what you require of him. And the gear still looks cool.

My response to Alexx’s lukewarm review at Joe Battlelines summarizes my feelings for this figure nicely:

“This is one of those figures; when I first saw a photo of it, I fell senselessly in love, and no amount of logic was gonna interfere with said love.”

Oh, wait. That was my response to the Volcano Viper.

Hmm… I think I’ll start a new list.

  • http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-joe-customs-finished-projects/162269-geek-creek-kitbashes.html Monte

    Thanks, Justin!

  • Anonymous

    My pleasure, Monte! Thanks for writing it up. Terrific stuff.

  • Gigamach

    Word on all that. I’ve gotta say, however, that all of this is easily seen when you take your figures apart and start kit-bashing. Arctic Destro, for instance, is so much BETTER than a Destro figure, and it is only his “Destro-ness” that left him on the pegs. Had they made him original, and maybe slightly toned down the paint-job to be a little less environmentally specific, he might’ve caught on. As for PoC Duke…I still consider Resolute Duke my DUKE, but PoC, and to a greater extent, RENEGADES Duke, are the best pure figures in their individual lineups. I will use neither of them as Duke, but I bought another Renegades Duke after making my Blackout, and will likely buy another after seeing the Tunnel Rat kitbash someone posted on The Tank today.

  • Gigamach

    Oh, but you’re wrong about Resolute SE. The Best Figure EVAR! (Seriously, I like him so much, I can’t see him as anyone else. That’s a testament to how solid SE, as a character and design, really is.)

  • Anonymous

    As a black llama I endorse this list. I didn’t buy in for ANY of the RoC line. The Pit commando I couldn’t stand. I was so jazzed to get one at first, then I looked at it, played with it for about 5 minutes and traded it away. I also think that had Arctic Destro been 1 to a case and not on the pegs, people would be screaming for them.

  • Zedhatch

    Monte, great job, awesome overview, left a responce on hisstank about my feelings on the individual figs, but very cool idea.

  • http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-joe-customs-finished-projects/162269-geek-creek-kitbashes.html Monte

    I don’t use the definitive Duke as Duke either, funnily enough.

    Meanwhile, someone bought Renegades Duke and kitbashed him into a Tunnel Rat? Why not just buy Renegades Tunnel Rat?

  • http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-joe-customs-finished-projects/162269-geek-creek-kitbashes.html Monte

    You missed some cool figures, man!

  • http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-joe-customs-finished-projects/162269-geek-creek-kitbashes.html Monte

    I appreciate the feedback, bro! I left you a reply at the Tank.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, I bought a ton of them for my son, just nothing I kept for myself. I like the 30th line a lot better :D

  • Anonymous

    Commenting on a post on my own site. Go figure! :)

    Monte, I do agree with a lot of your list. I like the Pit Commando for what he represents and all of the cool gear he comes with, but I do agree the base figure tooling (essentially just the 25th Anniversary Dusty) isn’t all that exciting. Not bad, just not exciting.

    25th Anniversary Spirit, you are right on the money with, too. Absolutely hate that head sculpt. The figure wouldn’t be terrible if it weren’t for that head, it unfortunately ruins pretty much everything else about the figure.

    Arctic Destro I agree with, too. A great figure that deserved so much more and definitely didn’t deserve to be the peg-warmer butt of everyone’s jokes. Hawk and Skydive are both terrific figures that don’t get enough pub.

    I’m going back and forth on Trakker. While I never really liked how much the fans railed on him because he “took the spot” of a different Joe, and I LOVE the idea of integrating some other characters into the Joe universe, the figure itself is kind of iffy. I really love the concept, though.

    As for Resolute/City Strike Snake Eyes. I couldn’t disagree more. That is a fantastic figure that I think deserves the praise it gets.

    Great list all told, thanks for doing it!

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  • Gyre-Viper

    If I hadn’t seen that Matt Trakker figure at Target one day… I never would have started collecting GI JOE’s when I did. That figure changed my life… of course it has some issues… but at the core itz a fuggin’ MASK/GI JOE hybrid and it caught my eye and introduced me to the 25th and on.

  • http://twitter.com/bighatdino Kev H

    Definitely with you on Trakker (it’s a scary perfect remake that I wish they’d continue making), and Arctic Destro (whose weathering is excellent), but not with you on that Snake Eyes, at least not in terms of the Resolute version, which looks suitably cartoony, but is still a callback to the original design.

  • dantedmc37

    I really don’t understand the distain for Spirit’s figure. (”the 25th Anniversary Spirit figure is the ugliest, crappiest G.I. Joe figure of the decade.”) …huh?
    I also would definitely prefer the 25th version of Spirit in my Marauders pack.

  • Pentastar

    City Strike SE was awesome when it came out; after so many carbon-copies of one character, it’s hard not to love something that is different. The weapons were great too. But in hindsight I see the figure now and, though still a great figure, I kinda think the fan frenzy it garnered back then was overkill. Still a great Snake Eyes, but not the definitive one for all time as some seemed to think.

  • Chris

    You have one error in your bit about ROC Flash. He WAS repainted from the neck down as Resolute Zartan.

  • Zedhatch

    Heh the discussion is being fun IMO. Again great one

  • http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-joe-customs-finished-projects/162269-geek-creek-kitbashes.html Monte

    Oh my god. I have that Zartan and I never realized he was a Flash repaint! (And Justin probably mentioned it in his review, too, so who knows how I missed that).

    But having just checked the two figures against one another, he’s not *quite* a neck-down repaint; Flash has a very distinctive lower abdomen (that I’d like to see reused; it matches Helix’s, which is a nice touch).

    Also, what I want to see is a repaint of Flash in all his gear.

    Still, I stand corrected, and I thank you.

  • http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-joe-customs-finished-projects/162269-geek-creek-kitbashes.html Monte

    That’s funny, ’cause I hated the Anniversary with a passion at the time and I kept considering getting that figure, too.

    Oh my god… people on Hiss Tank keep speculating about what the next eventual 7-pack will be, and it just occurred to me…the holier-than-though hardcore nostalgic types would revolt, but how awesome would it be if they did a 7-pack of other ’80s tributes from other properties?!? Oh man, I’d die.

  • http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-joe-customs-finished-projects/162269-geek-creek-kitbashes.html Monte

    He has arguably the worst man-boobs of any figure in the line; the width of his upper torso and lower torso where the joint connects is mismatched. His head is poorly sculpted, exaggerates the racial stereotype aspects of the vintage sculpt and simply looks ugly as sin. Plus the sculpt is so soft that the paint apps are usually sloppy where the hair meets the face along his cheeks.

    http://cf.mp-cdn.net/a9/f5/c76cb37657e2958b6fb73402c265.jpg

    http://www.cooltoyreview.com/photo.asp?image=/Hasbro/GIJoe/SpiritIronKnife/06.jpg

    All that said, I want one for a series of joke photos, but he goes for a fortune on eBay. Go figure.

  • http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-joe-customs-finished-projects/162269-geek-creek-kitbashes.html Monte

    I’m flattered; I’ve submitted guest content to a half-dozen or so toy sites over the years, and it’s not often one gets a comment from the host!

  • Scott

    I enjoyed reading!

    Matt Trakker was a “must-have” for me, not only for my own nostalgic vibes, but the character really adds to a “new” (young) fans future GIJoe adventures. In my opinion.

    I still never saw Flash on the local, but I still think that is a cool looking figure.

    THAT Duke didn’t look too bad to me, but, it’s Duke. But, now you got me thinking that I want THAT Duke. Although, would you say it is better than the Renegades Duke?

  • http://www.compulsivecollector.com/ Compulsive Collector

    I was surprised to find that I agree with everything mentioned. I really dig arctic Destro, and I always thought the City Strike Snake-Eyes was weak. I passed every time I saw him in a store, even when he was $4-$5 on clearance at Walmart or in Marshalls and T.J. Maxx. The statement with which I am in strongest agreement, though, is this: “Everyone is falling all over themselves proclaiming 30th Anniversary Storm Shadow and Pursuit of Cobra Snake Eyes to be the definitive versions of those characters, but what few Joe fans seem to have noticed is that Hasbro also released the definitive Duke last year.”

    That’s exactly how I’ve been referring to him, as the “definitive Duke.” When the earliest images of that figure appeared online, it was the first time I ever said to myself, “I *need* that Duke figure!” It lived up to all my expectations, and it’s among my top five favorite Pursuit of Cobra figures.

  • Swivel-Arm Beer-Grip

    I would LOVE to see an 80s tribute pack of Joes, if for no other reason than to see people freak out about it. “THESE’S SLOTS WENT TO CARACTERS THAT SHOULDV BEEN JOES!”

    They should change the race of a few of them for good measure, too.

  • http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-joe-customs-finished-projects/162269-geek-creek-kitbashes.html Monte

    I don’t have Renegades Duke yet, so it’s tough to say. My issue with Renegades Duke is his eyes have no pupils. I know it’s screen-accurate, but it’s also distracting and creepy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XL24VTV243VPLUMUAAHGNU25XE Jason

    I think I’d buy that pack just on principle. Mix in some MASK and Inhumanoids characters (Ha! Repainted/Slightly Retooled Accelerator suits would be perfect for the Earth Corps characters), maybe even a Sparkplug or Spike Witwicky and I bet it’d sell just as well as any other 7-pack.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XL24VTV243VPLUMUAAHGNU25XE Jason

    I still think they should’ve repainted RoC Flash in Green and Silver and called him Sci-Fi. Not that I don’t think the 30th Anniversary Sci-Fi is aces. Heck, they could do him in Grey and Black with a little Yellow highlighting and make him a nod to Sci-Fi v2 instead.

    I also must say, while the overall accessory compliment on the figure was kinda weak, I really dug the laser rifle he came with. But I’m a sucker for “Gotta plug it into the backpack/power source” weapons.

    Plus RoC Flash was one of the few figures from the RoC line that came with a spring-loaded weapon that actually seemed like it belonged with the figure and not just an add-on.

  • Dusty Ayers

    I really agree with you on two of those figs. I think arctic Destro is a cool fig that looks great in a pose. I 100% agree with you about Skydive. Even though his gear restricts his movement, that is the kind of fig I would have gone nuts for as a kid. He just looks so damn cool.

  • Dusty Ayers

    You have to get a Renegades Duke! The articulation is top notch and his guns are awesome. You won’t regret it.