30th December 2009

Pursuit of Cobra line, now just a “G.I. Joe” line? Package art revealed?

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A small image has emerged from the dark corners of the internet that appears to be packaging art for a new line of G.I. Joe single-pack figures.  It appears to be the Pursuit of Cobra Firefly on the package, with some elements from the Rise of Cobra package design, so all signs point to “legit”.  The most curious thing, of course, is the fact that there is no mention of “The Pursuit of Cobra” on the package, and it almost looks like the single pack line may now be separated into a straight up “G.I. Joe” line once again.

Is this a result of lackluster response to the movie themed toys?   Tough to tell, but the new packaging is pretty exciting.  Love the blue coloring, love the chrome logo that retains many of the elements of the vintage one.

Big thanks to HissCommander from The Terror Drome for pointing this out!

EDIT – IMAGE REMOVED BY REQUEST

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  • Hawkwinter

    Wow guys. It’s not personal. Saying RoC failed to meet Hasbro’s expectations does not constitute wishful thinking, a conspiracy or a personal attack against anyone who liked it.

    Like I mentioned before RoC may well have outsold 25th, but then again Hasbro ramped up production for RoC and made them available everywhere. I mean my town never saw any 25th stuff untill 6 months after they canceleld the line and every small time drug store is loaded with RoC stuff, so obviously they poured way more money into it than the 25th stuff.

    But the real problem isn’t whether the first waves of RoC sold enough to recoup expensives, it’s that they sold some and then filled up shelves and have now suspended the line until Fall. Look at Star Wars and Transformers. Hasbro was hoping that they would launch a line like those based on the release of the movie, which basically lasts years, and now after only a few months they have already had to change plans.

    This is all fact. There is no assumption in any of this.

    Having 7 friends that run toy stores or stores that sell toys, I also know that anytime a store has to stick a sale price on a new product that was just released a few months back, it’s a sign that they are not selling up to expectations. Ideally you run out. Also, many smaller stores are embittered with GIJoe because places like Walmart are desperately trying to clear their Joes and sell them at way less than these other stores buy the figures for. So GIJoe becomes a major sore spot as not only do they not get their product sold, but customers complain about why their prices are so high. On the opposite side, if a line sells as expected or better, those little stores can prosper selling their guys at a slightly higher amount because people can’t get the figures anywhere else anyway and big stores like Walmart don’t put them on sale.

    Now I’ll say again. This doesn’t mean RoC didn’t sell well. But it didn’t sell up to expectations. Hasbro expectations. And again, I do get the feeling their expectations were unrealistic, but it is what it is.

    And once again, the 25th line sold over 200% of expectations in it’s first full year, making it a huge success for Hasbro, while RoC at last count was selling at around 35% of expected sales. It’s just how much they put into it compared to what they thought they’d get out of it. I mean it’s no great mystery that a lot more effort went into the sculpting of the new RoC stuff and the plastic is better and then there’s the marketting, distribution, adding production and who knows what else. When they did 25th they basically said, well, let’s try this, people keep asking for it, so let’s see…and demand was way higher than they expected.

    It’s like a movie made on a 100 million dollar budget obviously has to pull in 10 times the amount of viewers than a movie made on a 10 million dollar budget to equal it’s relative success.

    And I’m not a movie hater per se. I thought it was a move in the wrong direction, but it was still enjoyable for what it was. But my big fear remains that Justin is right and that it was the biggest moment for GIJoe in the last decade. However, it’s just that it might be heralding a dark age, not the golden age everyone expected.

  • ndviper

    I’m not saying you guys are wrong about what ROC did, but you guys come off as just hating on everything ROC. I loved most of the toys, the prices sucked but were far better priced that Marvel Universe figs considering the difference in accessories. I loved the 25th myself as well and bought almost everything from that line. I hear what you guys are saying but I’m just trying to remain optimistic through all of this. I would hate for Joe to dissappear again, I just want Hasbro to do what it takes to make Joe a success that keeps it on the shelves. Perhaps the correct route is still coming with a good animated series that hopefully can be as good as The Clone Wars and bring in the younger fans that the movie failed to grab. I’m sure it got a few but not enough, and with video games being far more popular now and grabbing the youth’s ever shrinking attention spans than in Joe’s heyday, I realize its an uphill battle for Joe, but I hope it can pull through and we keep getting some great product (which seemed to be the POC line.)

    I guess the only reason I responded was I’m just so tired of all the bickering and the negative feelings that has been going on around the joe sites of late. I know most of it is based on reality and the future of Joe seems uncertain and murky at best, but 3.75″ Joe’s have been around for most of 25 years plus and I know there is alot of us that don’t want them gone. To me hope and optimism seems a better course for us fans than doom and gloom. They’ve managed to sustain Joe this long why not longer?

    In short, I don’t want to argue the success of different lines or was it a good movie or a bad movie. I just want to enjoy what we have received over the past 25 plus and hope.

  • Jcast

    Does anyone truly believe that ROC was such a dismal failure as some have been making out to be?

  • Hawkwinter

    Well, I think we ALL want GIJoe to do well regardless of how anyone felt about the movie. Even people who hated the movie and say they wish for the dismal failure of the RoC line don’t want it to be so dismal and complete that GIJoe gets cancelled.

    Personally I’m upset with Hasbro because if you really break it down to very simple steps what happened was this :

    After years of trying all sorts of stuff (some semi-successful, some not so much) like Spy Troops, VvV and Sigma 6, Hasbro finally got some good response with the 25th line.

    Then they decide the response is good enough to warrant a movie and dropping a whole lot of money on new toys. (Sounds good so far.)

    But then they totally change almost everything we know and love about GIJoe and excuse it with trying to target a new demographic (kids) and then it doesn’t sell all that well with kids and the existing Joe community is torn in two and sales don’t meet Hasbro expectations.

    And what does that mean? We suffer. I mean c’mon, let’s keep this in perspective. We’re the people buying this stuff. Our money is going to Hasbro and they basically said, well you guys are great and all (here’s a new cartoon called Resolute) but we have bigger fish to fry. Now they appear to be scrambling trying to re-package the new line to appeal to all the people they upset. (Which will probably work, cause well, we still love GIJoe, we can’t help ourselves).

    If the new cartoon can recapture GIJoe, all this won’t matter anymore, and things will pick up again. Pursuit of Cobra or some other name, who cares, as long as we get the toys and they are cool.

    Personally I think the cartoon will be a great way to mix the old with new and let Hasbro capitalize by using all the new molds since 25th started.

    And while I didn’t really thrill over RoC all that much I still bought most of the figures I could find.

  • Andrew Hall

    We all want the G.I. Joe line to flourish,ndviper. It’s really not about that. If G.I. Joe is on the box, more than likely I will buy it (I tend to be a completest). I can’t speak for Alpine, but I know I’m not anti-ROC. I’m in total agreement with Hawkwinter on the movie. I just see some of the mistakes Hasbro did with this movie line. 1.) They honestly should have focused more on the 3 3/4 figures and less on things like the Rapid Rollers, Action Battlers, Ultimate Sigma Suit Duke, Combat Heroes (which I love), and those stupid 8 in. noise making toys with the karate chop action. Hasbro plugged up alot of shelf space on stuff nobody had an interest in. Stick to the toys that everyone knows, and what got the movie deal to begin with. ALSO, I think Hasbro burned a lot of bridges with focusing just on the movie line. Hardcore fans (again, not me) felt slighted at the fact the 25th line (which everyone loved) ended with the movie line. Hasbro could have totally integrated more traditional characters into the line and no one would have complained. Instead we were given repaints of the classis in ROC colors (there are a few exceptions, of course). I know that collectors are a small percentages of sales for Hasbro, but again, we were probably the driving force behind the success of the 25th line to begin with.
    But I digress, ROC is literally spilled milk at this point. It’s over, and more than likely done. We should be excited that Hasbro is looking to break away from the constraints of the movie-verse and get back to what made G.I. Joe, G.I.Joe.

  • Alpine

    “Wow guys. It’s not personal. Saying RoC failed to meet Hasbro’s expectations, does not constitute wishful thinking, a conspiracy or a personal attack against anyone who liked it.”–Hawkwinter

    Thank you Hawk.

    Ndviper, I want to reiterate, that by saying what I have said, is not something I am flaunting or thinking because of RoC’s failure, the 25th classic line will return.
    It’s all fact. And it is what it is.
    NO ONE should like it, and really except for a small minority, I don’t believe anyone likes it, myself included.
    It was G I Joe’s introduction to the world at the box office, it was the chance we’ve all been waiting for for 20+ years.
    It was time for Joe to once again dominate the airwaves, comic books and the toy aisles. How anyone can be “happy” that it’s not happening, is beyond me. It’s shameful and selfish.
    I think you’re spot on that a cartoon is desperately needed to keep kids engaged and focused on the brand.

  • Alpine

    “Does anyone truly believe that ROC was such a dismal failure as some have been making out to be?” –Jcast

    By some, I assume you include Walmart, Target and all major retailers who have dropped the price of ROC product since last fall,
    And Hasbro who has put the line on hiatus until fall 2010, changed the brand’s direction and cancelled the line overseas?

  • Blaze

    “I don’t know if it’s a consipiracy, but the information that he (you?) gave…”
    “Andrew, this “blaze” is the very same person who is giving the fuzzy math on hisstank.com.”
    That sort of paranoia is unhealthy. I recommend seeking professional help immediately, as there is a very real chance you could be a danger to yourself or others.

    “…looks all nice and neat when it’s front paged on hisstank.com, except in the meantime, the pegs were full of figures that weren’t selling, the toys got a price cut well before the Christmas season, now we know the line is on hiatus until fall and the logos/card art has changed.”
    All movie-based toy lines crash after the movie leaves theaters. The first Transformers line was an exception, but Revenge Of The Fallen certainly wasn’t. Those had price reductions across the board, too. I wouldn’t have to explain this to anyone who actually has any knowledge about the hobby or the toy industry, but it becomes necessary when some delusional collector is falling all over himself to convince the world his personal favorite toys are the most successful ever. Also, we don’t “know” the card art or logo has changed. All we have is a small file that looks like a bad Photoshop job.

    If Alpine would ever get out of the basement for a while, he might understand that the few adults who were collecting G.I. JOE figures prior to ROC could never even come close to the sales the movie line enjoyed. To the oblivious basement-dweller, a line that’s constantly refreshed with the same assortments will appear to be, “not moving,” at retail. This is due to the redundancy of product replenishment and the collector’s narrow view of, “no new figures = no sales,” when it simply isn’t the reality of a movie line.

    “By some, I assume you include Walmart, Target and all major retailers who have dropped the price of ROC product since last fall”
    25th Anniversary figures saw a price reduction at Target, too, after they had raised the prices, just as they did with ROC. At the end of ’07, tons of 25th Anniversary product was reduced to 75% off at Target, because the retailer couldn’t move it. The same happened earlier this year.

    And for the record, I’m not a fan of very many ROC figures. They’re mostly custom fodder for me, although I do like the vehicles quite a bit. As a matter of personal taste, I prefer the 25th Anniversary figures by miles and miles. I’m simply objective and realistic about my hobbies, and I don’t cry “conspiracy!” when my own opinions aren’t reflected in the facts. I absolutely do not participate at Hisstank.com, either. I don’t even like the damn site.

  • Jcast

    “By some, I assume you include Walmart, Target and all major retailers who have dropped the price of ROC product since last fall,And Hasbro who has put the line on hiatus until fall 2010, changed the brand’s direction and cancelled the line overseas?”

    So you feel a price drop indicates total failure? It should also be noted that Hasbro US has nothing to do with the actions of their overseas offices.

  • Alpine

    Blaze, if you could prove to me or anyone else for that matter what I have stated ISN’T fact, please feel free to do so. I will retract my statements.
    In the meantime, I own my home, it’s paid for. It’s valued just under $300 grand.
    My home is welcomed to you and anyone else who’s ever in my area and we can sit and talk like adults.

    Jcast, what does a price drop say to you? If something is meeting or exceeding expectations do you drop the price?
    As for overseas sales, my point was that G I Joe will not be available to people in the UK, Belgium, Greece and Australia this year because of poor sales. Which means Hasbro G I JOE division will not be involved in those areas.

  • Alpine

    Wow. I am completely flabergasted at the potshots that have been leveled at myself, Justin and a few others here. For starters, we all have stated that we are disappointed to see this happen and it’s not something we get our jollies from.
    Justin, I’ve never met, but he seems a genial fella and his word is as good as gold in the community.
    What has been stated by Justin, myself and others are simply facts that cannot be disputed. We can all drive to our local Walmarts and see G I JOE with a price cut $5 dollar tag on the shelves. My Walmarts still all have the ret tag that clearly says price cut.
    It was Hasbro, per the last Q&A that stated that G I Joe is delayed until Fall 2010. And these images of new logos and card art, could be another line like Jurassic Park, or it could be a fraud. Either way it’s not something that Justin, myself or anyone else here have manipulated, and we have all surmised our opinions on all of this and what’s going on in Joe world right now.
    So I can’t understand why some take this personal and feel the need come out of the proverbial woodwork with vile comments like “basement dweller”, “liar”, “conspiracy theorist” or “What world are you living on”
    Am I engaging in disourse with adults or children?
    These facts, whatever they mean are still facts. That card art is there. Those logos are on those mech figures. It’s the 2010 Joecon logo. The Q&A with Hasbro can be found on any site that participated in the last session by using the search feature on those forums.
    Sorry if it sounds like a broken record, but it seems that everyday there someone coming here childlike immature banter from people in denial of what’s going on. And the best way they seem to know how to deal with it is accuse someone else of being a liar or something else as incriminating as an accusation.
    It has been said that Hasbro doesn’t put much stock into the collector community. I hope that has changed, but if not, I can’t say I blame them.
    Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves and start acting like adults.

  • Jcast

    Jcast, what does a price drop say to you? If something is meeting or exceeding expectations do you drop the price?

    It says that demand might have been overestimated, but there’s also the bad economy. the retailer demands that come across as bizarre, some questionable decisions on Hasbro’s part (like releasing too many repaints that weren’t in the movie), and other factors. ROC haters seem to make ROC out to be a failure of biblical proportions, when it appears to be a success. People seems to be grasping at anything to talk down ROC (Dark Knight sold more copies! It’s only # 15 on the top selling list!).

    A lot of the comments seem to start out with “I’m not a ROC hater, but…”,and go out to make the same anti-ROC points time after time. it seriously reminds me of people during the presidential primaries last year saying stuff like ” I’m a life-long Democrat, but Obama…” and proceed to rehash republican talking points.

  • Hawkwinter

    I live in the real world. Not one of made-up black and white.

    I sure as hell can say I don’t hate RoC but that I didn’t like several things about it and also that I feel it was a move in the wrong direction and also that the whole endevour didn’t pan out as well as all hoped. But I know the black and white people, my brother is one of them. You’re either for something or against something. The thought that things can be more complex than that never crosses their minds.

    I’m not even sure how many times it has been repeated that it’s not a hate of RoC that is causing our unhappiness it’s that RoC was something we weren’t really wanting and apparently it ddn’t give Hasbro what they wanted either (based on sales, decisons for the future) and that sucks. It hurts all fans.

    Why is it that everytime anyone raises concerns about their hobbies future in Joe forums there are a number of people that just totally freak out and spazz out about how anyone could possibly say anything negative about their hobby? I haven’t yet seen anyone say it’s all over. We’re concerned about what seems to be happening.

    Now I’d be thrilled if it’s all a smokescreen and the new toys hit shelves next week but there are other signs that things are changing. Take the comic book. IDW started with several titles all supporting a relaunch. And now? They are adding a continuation of the original Marvel line. Now why does a company do that? Quite simply…. demand. And keep in mind Hasbro still controls the big decisions and the fact they didn’t oppose that addition after having just released a movie that totally re-writes GIJoe and even a cartoon (Resolute) that took a totally different approach shows that the diehard purists DO have considerable pull.

    Personally things are looking up for me as a fan (as long as all the current plans come to fruition). A continuation of the old Marvel title? That could be fantastic ! A new cartoon coming on the heels of the surprise success of the awesome Resolute? Wicked. And now the toy line seems to be adjusting to fit these changes? Terrific.

    In 2008 I spent over four grand on GIJoe related stuff, last year I spent less than $500. I’m all set for a change. And if that works out for Hasbro, then I will again be hopeful for another GIJoe movie. Hulk and Punisher and many others show that it’s possible for Hollywood to re-do their films and get it right the next time around. Maybe someday we will still get the GIJoe we all know and love. (See Justin? At heart, I’m a hopeless diehard optomistic as well…lol).

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  • Alpine

    “It says that demand might have been overestimated, but there’s also the bad economy. the retailer demands that come across as bizarre, some questionable decisions on Hasbro’s part (like releasing too many repaints that weren’t in the movie), and other factors. ROC haters seem to make ROC out to be a failure of biblical proportions, when it appears to be a success. People seems to be grasping at anything to talk down ROC (Dark Knight sold more copies! It’s only # 15 on the top selling list!).”–Jcast

    Economy certainly could be an indicator, yet you have to consider that Star Wars is still a hot seller and at the $8.99 price. Marvel and Transformers are no slouches either.
    Neither have any of these lines been put on hiatus along with Joe, which would indicate economy. Since it’s only Joe it indicates it wasn’t a success, rather than the economy.

    You seem to be content to paint me as a ROC hater. The problem with that is I am not. And never have I stated I was. I am reporting the facts, which unfortunately at this point doesn’t seem good, and you come under the assumption that it means I am a ROC hater.

    I’ve never mentioned Dark Knight. Can’t speak for others. What I can say are FACT:
    1. $5 dollar price tag in the fall, only 3 months into the line.
    2. The brand is put on hiatus until next fall. That’s from Hasbro.
    3. Possible new card art without “POC” listed on it, which suggests a new direction. We should know more by February at Toyfair.
    4. New logos on the Joes that appear to be sold with Mechs, that are not the ROC logo and it s the same logo the G I JCC is sporting for the 2010 Joecon.

    You don’t have to like it, but it is still FACT.
    Far from “reaching” for or to anything.

  • Andrew Hall

    We’re not talking politics. We’re talking G.I. Joe. Let’s start with that. Seeing as how Jcast isn’t letting anyone have the “It’s not the G.I. Joe I wanted to see represented, but it was a fun popcorn movie” opinion of the franchise, I guess I have to fall in line with ‘the haters’ then. There is nobody on this board that can tell me Rise Of Cobra was what you, as a fan, would want to see in movie theaters. The acting was wretched, the plot line was laughable, and George Lucas should be suing Sommer’s ass off because the end fight resembled the Death Star scene in Return of the Jedi (only underwater). I haven’t met anyone, with the exception of my fiancee (who probably is just being supportive) say they liked the movie. In fact, I’ve been called on the carpet for standing up for it. My friends all say that I only liked it because it was G.I. Joe. If it were anything else, you wouldn’t give that movie the time of day. You know what? They’re right. I’m glad the ROC experiment was a bit of a disappointment for Hasbro. It won’t kill the brand, and it will usher in another era for the Joe franchise. One free from Snake-Eyes lips, Storm Shadow sneakers, and Iron Man envy. Hopefully one that will closer resemble the franchise that we all know and are passionate about. What I’m ultimately saying is this: whether ROC was successful or not, it doesn’t appear to be continuing. Is there anyone here who’s really going to miss it all that much? If your answer is ‘no’, then why the hell are we fighting?

  • ThMick

    Let me add a couple of thoughts here, for your consideration.

    1) ROC (the movie) was basically created during the writer’s strike. It wasn’t as good as we all hoped, but it wasn’t Ishtar either. The sequel will be better.
    2) The brand is on hiatus until next fall. So is Star Wars. Perhaps these hiatus’ have more to do with Hasbro itself than GI Joe specifically. Either way, you’ll not get a straight answer out of Hasbro about it.
    3) The original price of the figures at retail was intended to get money from early adopters, and when they had wrung that rag dry, they “lowered” or “Rolled back” the prices to the actual price needed to make money.Even if the new Lowered price was less than 25th figures, this is allowed by economies of scale. Furthermore, you ever notice just how much of the parts for the ROC line are actually parts that were “NEW” for the 25th line? Just how far ahead of time were the plans for the ROC line formulated? Notice how all the retailers seemed to come to about the same “lowered” price? This is reflected by the single packs (and the Gunship/ steel crusher/ etc.) remaining the same price when everything else is getting clearanced.

    4)Assuming that that card art is real, and I’m not 100% convinced that it is, just because there isn’t anything on the front of the card, and I can’t believe I’m the first person to point this out, doesn’t mean there isn’t going to be a paper or cardboard insert INSIDE THE BLISTER that says PURSUIT OF COBRA city strike. Or the back of the card, for that matter. Just look at Star Wars figures. Hasbro do love to cram stuff in them blisters.

    5) Yes, perhaps POC is sh!tcanned, but that has more to do with the videogame flopping than the movie or movie toys flopping. Since the game crapped out, pretty much nobody but us (collectors) had any idea what POC was, anyway. There definitley isn’t going to be any sequels to the GI Joe game any time soon, nor any kind of DLC. The next media tie in will be something else, probably the cartoon.

    5) When the movie logo came out, a total boatload of people lost their minds and stated they HAted it. Maybe Hasbro is just trying to appease them.

    Oh, and since when is the sequel movie not greenlit? I’ve read in a couple of different places that it was, that pre production is already starting, etc. That isn’t sarcasm, I’m asking, did I miss something?

  • Hawkwinter

    Well as far as the sequel being greenlit….I guess my comments on that stem from having about two dozen movies I was looking forward to being greenlit and in production, some with filming started and then just mysteriously cancelled or put on hold in the last year alone! This must be a result of the bad economy and films that aren’t expected to rake it in get put on hold.

    Filming hasn’t started yet so in reality the movie doesn’t exist yet. Conan the King has been greenlit seven times since the last Conan movie came out and was even reported to be nearly done filming three years ago. I still see no Conan the King. Stargate has two more films greenlit with interviews with the actors saying they were flying out for filming in a week in one interview. Yet….both got quickly cancelled based on the horrendous sales of the Battlestar Gallactica movie (or at least that’s the excuse they give).

    On the other hand, when I hear rumors about an Underworld 4 and even TV series I have no trouble believing it because it makes sense, since everything is all about Vampires these days thanks to the Twillight movies. Military based movies that glorify war and aren’t heavy hearted dramas showing the grotesque nature of war? Not so much.

    So forgive me for being slightly pessimistic about all this talk about a sequel.

  • Andrew Hall

    I think, strangely enough, the future of G.I. Joe: The Rise Of Cobra sequal depends greatly on the success of Hasbro/Paramount’s next venture: Battleship. Which, based on the premise alone, doesn’t sound promising at all.

  • Jcast

    “We’re not talking politics. We’re talking G.I. Joe. Let’s start with that. Seeing as how Jcast isn’t letting anyone have the “It’s not the G.I. Joe I wanted to see represented, but it was a fun popcorn movie” opinion of the franchise, I guess I have to fall in line with ‘the haters’ then. There is nobody on this board that can tell me Rise Of Cobra was what you, as a fan, would want to see in movie theaters. The acting was wretched, the plot line was laughable, and George Lucas should be suing Sommer’s ass off because the end fight resembled the Death Star scene in Return of the Jedi (only underwater). I haven’t met anyone, with the exception of my fiancee (who probably is just being supportive) say they liked the movie.”

    Ok…I think you proved my point for me.

    Anyway, I really don’t know what people wanted from the movie. Did they think they were going to get “Saving Private Ryan” or something similar? I actually wasn’t too excited about ROC, but I decided to give it a chance. I’m glad I did for a few reasons: ROC totally captures the tone of the original Sunbow cartoon, Lee Byung-hun played a perfect Storm Shadow, and the action sequences were awesome to watch (loved the desert ambush). Did I dislike some things about it? Of course, but I think overall it was done rather well for the source material.

    I also think the retailers have to bear some blame with over-ordering of the first waves being the main issue (and also seem to have really strange rules when it comes to GI Joe). Hasbro also missed some golden opportunities by reissuing older repaints instead of stuff that was actually in the movie.

    Honestly though, If a movie can’t give Hasbro the sales it wants, then the GI Joe brand must not be viable.

  • Andrew Hall

    A lot of the comments seem to start out with “I’m not a ROC hater, but…”,and go out to make the same anti-ROC points time after time. it seriously reminds me of people during the presidential primaries last year saying stuff like ” I’m a life-long Democrat, but Obama…” and proceed to rehash republican talking points.

    I’m not proving your point. My point to you was that I’m in the middle when it comes to the ROC movie, like Hawkwinter, I stated that the movie wasn’t what I wanted to see from a G.I. Joe movie, but it was a fun popcorn movie. But under your ‘black and white’ non-sensical view of things, I must hate the movie. Also, of course the G.I. Joe brand is viable. The movie really let us down on that level. Sure it made $300 million worldwide, but out of those ticket sales, how many people actually liked the movie enough to buy toys from it?

  • Jcast

    “…under your ‘black and white’ non-sensical view of things…”

    Wow! I’ve never been called “non-sensical” before! I’m just saying that people seem to list everything that’s wrong with ROC with no focus on what was right about it.

  • Andrew Hall

    Lol. I think I picked that up from reading the Dr. Suess memoirs.

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